OMG! 1st post :-)
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THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WANTING!!!
August? Wasn't it supposed to be a Spring release?
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THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WANTING!!!
If they also give the fighter (and the bard) some love I agree.
I want this book so badly.
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I hope they make the use of skills more Epic at higher levels.
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This should totally be called Pathfinder Unearthed.
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I wonder if this is a Pathfinder 1.5?
Okay. Add this to the list of awesome books I want.
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Curious at to why those iconics are depicted given the content describes new versions of the barbarian, summoner, rogue and monk… Oh. Perhaps it is a mockup. Ooops.
Would like to know which authors are contributing as well.
Design Manager
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Was at the banquet when they announced this, got the impression that this is going to be kind of like a "Pathfinder Essentials"; JB indicated that they were going to make the Barbarian easier to run at the table, present a nerfed and better balanced version of the Summoner, a full BAB monk, and hinted at "improving" the Rogue. Should be interesting.
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I really hope they don't plan on making a Pathfinder 4th ed version kind of a book.
Was at the banquet when they announced this, got the impression that this is going to be kind of like a "Pathfinder Essentials"; JB indicated that they were going to make the Barbarian easier to run at the table, present a nerfed and better balanced version of the Summoner, a full BAB monk, and hinted at "improving" the Rogue. Should be interesting.
Cool. What news had they on the Shaman and the Skald?
Um, isn't this a Spring Hardcover, not a Summer one, or has that changed? Also, this looks awesome - reminds me of the old Arcana Unearthed book
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Was at the banquet when they announced this, got the impression that this is going to be kind of like a "Pathfinder Essentials"; JB indicated that they were going to make the Barbarian easier to run at the table, present a nerfed and better balanced version of the Summoner, a full BAB monk, and hinted at "improving" the Rogue. Should be interesting.
Full BAB monk. That is all I needed to hear. Thanks Ssalarn...
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This product is off the chain.
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Was at the banquet when they announced this, got the impression that this is going to be kind of like a "Pathfinder Essentials"; JB indicated that they were going to make the Barbarian easier to run at the table, present a nerfed and better balanced version of the Summoner, a full BAB monk, and hinted at "improving" the Rogue. Should be interesting.
Wait, what? Why would you need a simpler version of th barbarian? I never thought it was overly complicated.
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Was at the banquet when they announced this, got the impression that this is going to be kind of like a "Pathfinder Essentials"; JB indicated that they were going to make the Barbarian easier to run at the table, present a nerfed and better balanced version of the Summoner, a full BAB monk, and hinted at "improving" the Rogue. Should be interesting.Wait, what? Why would you need a simpler version of th barbarian? I never thought it was overly complicated.
Two words: rage cycling.
Is this going to have any kind of public Playtest?
I'm super interested!
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I have mixed feelings about this one.
I hope there will be a playtest.
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Curse you, Paizo! Curses, I say! So many things coming out this summer and so little money!!!
RPG Superstar 2014 Top 4
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So is this like Book of Nine Swords was for 3.5? A preview into the Next edition of PF?
Because "Alternative Action Economy" hints at that for me.
I will say that I'm very interested in this "Magic item generator" system.
This is assuredly not a preview of or prelude to any future edition of Pathfinder RPG.
Rather, it's a chance to be able to make "changes" that fans have been asking for over the years (and ones the developers have wanted to make over the years) without fundamentally changing the core rulebook and forcing everyone to play under the new rules. It's options, ideas, alternates, and something you can piecemeal insert into your ongoing games.
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As with all Paizo releases, I'll reserve judgement after I have it in my hands. I am quite interested to see what they do though.
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is this optional rules as in really optional or is this optional rules as in these will be required for PFS
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So is this like Book of Nine Swords was for 3.5? A preview into the Next edition of PF?
Because "Alternative Action Economy" hints at that for me.
I will say that I'm very interested in this "Magic item generator" system.
This is assuredly not a preview of or prelude to any future edition of Pathfinder RPG.
Rather, it's a chance to be able to make "changes" that fans have been asking for over the years (and ones the developers have wanted to make over the years) without fundamentally changing the core rulebook and forcing everyone to play under the new rules. It's options, ideas, alternates, and something you can piecemeal insert into your ongoing games.
Well, that won't stop people, in particular the ones with a long-standing axe to grind with Paizo, to run around the Internet screaming "paid beta of PF 2.0 out next year - WotC did that to you with Bo9s and now Paizo is doing it again".
Dot for great interest.
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I wish Book of Nine Swords had been a paid beta, it was not similar to 4E. You can argue its maneuver system was put into 4E, but only if you squint and really work it backwards. It if anything felt more like 3.5 trying to do wuxia or something similar.
+1. If 4E had been based on Bo9S I probably would have been a lot more interested in it.
Dot...dot....DDDOOOTTT!!!!!!!!!
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Well, that won't stop people, in particular the ones with a long-standing axe to grind with Paizo, to run around the Internet screaming "paid beta of PF 2.0 out next year - WotC did that to you with Bo9s and now Paizo is doing it again".
Heck, it probably won't even stop people *without* grudges from continuing the "Pathfinder 2.0 is coming!!" chant like they've already been doing for some time now.
The irony is, even if there were a Pathfinder 2.0 coming, once it was announced, those people would then start bragging about how "they knew it was coming" because they'd seen the writing on the wall- no matter if it is 5, 10, or 15 years after the fact. :p
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Ok, so this is closer to a book of errata and rules amendments. It just so happens to have some redesigns on a number of "problematic" classes.
Summoner, I can understand. It tends to require a different kind of system mastery than most casters, and is even more accounting heavy due to the malleable eidolon. Rogue makes sense too. A number of traits, alternate class archetypes, and other sundry things make the rogue seem totally lackluster to practically everything.
Monk is a little hazy on the revamp, though I understand that full BAB reduces language for Flurry of Blows. May also make it easier to qualify for various maneuver feats, which tend to be the Monk's niche. But the Barbarian is the real oddity. I get that rage cycling is a problem, and that some rage power combos are a GM's nightmare. But I honestly can't think of much else they'd consider revamping.
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I wonder if this is Paizo's attempt to make a more rules light version, kind of like Dungeon World (but obviously not quite that light)? I just recently read through the basic rules for DnD Next, and it seems like they decided to go in a more rules light direction. Seems to be all the rage these days. I love me some pathfinder and complex systems, but it's so much easier to get my friends and family to come back to the table with a game like Dungeon World, so I'm all for this.
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is this optional rules as in really optional or is this optional rules as in these will be required for PFS
I would hope Brock and co. carefully evaluate the new rules and import the best of the book while omitting the rest from PFS play.
At a minimum, I would like to see the monk and rogue updates make it into the allowed resources.
I think the 'pool' may be the way forward for pathfinder.....arcanist, ninjas,magus, etc already going this way
I think this would be a good move
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Summoner, I can understand. It tends to require a different kind of system mastery than most casters, and is even more accounting heavy due to the malleable eidolon. Rogue makes sense too. A number of traits, alternate class archetypes, and other sundry things make the rogue seem totally lackluster to practically everything.
The summoner we currently have is the first iteration of brand new class concept. It was bound to have many unforeseen issues. Unchained will give the developers the opportunity to correct many of those issues provide a more refined set of abilities. Hopefully they don't nerf the class into the ground.
On the subject of summoners: I would like to see the synthesist revamped and given far more attention than it received in Ultimate Magic. The archetype is a very popular concept, but poorly implemented under current rules.
dot for interest.....
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This is assuredly not a preview of or prelude to any future edition of Pathfinder RPG.
Rather, it's a chance to be able to make "changes" that fans have been asking for over the years (and ones the developers have wanted to make over the years) without fundamentally changing the core rulebook and forcing everyone to play under the new rules. It's options, ideas, alternates, and something you can piecemeal insert into your ongoing games.
I do wonder why you are so sure of that, and why it cannot be both.
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Well, that won't stop people, in particular the ones with a long-standing axe to grind with Paizo, to run around the Internet screaming "paid beta of PF 2.0 out next year - WotC did that to you with Bo9s and now Paizo is doing it again".
Uhm, I'd be delighted if it were that. Either way, I'll definitely be picking it up.