
Kelseus |
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I love Pathfinder. It has given me countless hours of fun. I love Pathfinder 2, I think it's a great update and addition to the game. I have a 5 year old and, as 5 year olds are wont to do, he wants to play "Daddy's game." But as much as I would love to play a game with him, he's just starting to read and a 500 page tomb like the CRB is just too much for him. I am pretty excited about this, as it will be a simpler and less vast option for me to play with him. This will definitely be under the tree at our house this year. Really looking forward to this.

Unikatze |
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Will it have slightly watered down rules like the PF1E Beginner box had?
Erik Mona answered me on Facebook.
"no these are the full rules, only with fewer choices and more attention paid to explaining the concepts. Your Beginner Box character will be 100% compatible with the Core Rules."

Mark Seifter Design Manager |
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This decision also means that if you want to run a Beginner Box adventure but you want to use a different monster, for instance, you can just do it if you have access to the Bestiary, and if you want to level past the upper range of the box, you just can if you have access to the CRB, using your same character.

Firebull5 |
It is good to hear that the beginner box will use the full Rules.
So we can use all the skills right from the start (even skills such as entertain, crafting or survival (which were not included in the 1st edition Beginner box).
I am also looking forward to the "starting town" of Otari (the "stat block" is already included in the gamemastery guide, but I hope we will get a map, too).
And last but not least more pawns are always better.

CrystalSeas |

It is good to hear that the beginner box will use the full Rules.
So we can use all the skills right from the start (even skills such as entertain, crafting or survival (which were not included in the 1st edition Beginner box).
I think you missed the fewer choices part of the comment.
It's not clear from that paraphrase that ALL of anything will be available in the Beginner Box rules.
For example, it looks like it will only include four classes.

Firebull5 |
It's not clear from that paraphrase that ALL of anything will be available in the Beginner Box rules.
For example, it looks like it will only include four classes.
I am aware of the facts that:
- we will have only 4 classes instead of 12 to choose from- That we maybe only get to choose between 2 feats instead of 4 per level
- that maybe our cleric will just get to choose between 10 Level 1 Spells instead of 21.
- that the beginner box will again go up to about level 5.
I am completely fine with the choice of Fighter, Rogue, Cleric and Wizard, this is the "classic" adventuring party and a great entrance point for new and experienced gamers.
I would not want the full rules in the beginner box, too.
But I just hope to see the comlplete skill list including skills such as Entertain, Intimidation, Crafting or Survival (skills like these were not included in the Pathfinder 1 Beginner Box since the Skills list -though shorter compared to D&D 3.5- was still quite long) so we can have even more variety in playing the published adventures and designing our own ones.

Justin Franklin |
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CrystalSeas wrote:
It's not clear from that paraphrase that ALL of anything will be available in the Beginner Box rules.
For example, it looks like it will only include four classes.
I am aware of the facts that:
- we will have only 4 classes instead of 12 to choose from
- That we maybe only get to choose between 2 feats instead of 4 per level
- that maybe our cleric will just get to choose between 10 Level 1 Spells instead of 21.
- that the beginner box will again go up to about level 5.I am completely fine with the choice of Fighter, Rogue, Cleric and Wizard, this is the "classic" adventuring party and a great entrance point for new and experienced gamers.
I would not want the full rules in the beginner box, too.
But I just hope to see the comlplete skill list including skills such as Entertain, Intimidation, Crafting or Survival (skills like these were not included in the Pathfinder 1 Beginner Box since the Skills list -though shorter compared to D&D 3.5- was still quite long) so we can have even more variety in playing the published adventures and designing our own ones.
I remember someone saying that there would be a few actions missing from the BB, the example used was Fly as no one can do that at the levels of the BB. So I would expect we get all the skills, but not necessarily all of the actions for each skill and not any feats that require Expert in a skill.

Green Goat |
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My group started off with the Starfinder BB before we moved on to the core rules, and we were kind of disappointed with the differences between the two. We had to rejigger the characters a relearn stuff.
I hope the PF2 box is closer to core. Like the PF1 box was.

Sporkedup |

My group started off with the Starfinder BB before we moved on to the core rules, and we were kind of disappointed with the differences between the two. We had to rejigger the characters a relearn stuff.
I hope the PF2 box is closer to core. Like the PF1 box was.
I believe they confirmed above that it is the same as core, just with a lot cut out that doesn't get covered in the adventure. Things like 8 of the core classes, probably a lot of the complex conditions, and so forth.

CrystalSeas |
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Like the PF1 box was.
My experience with the PF1 Beginner Box was that it has some major differences from core (like no Attacks of Opportunity), and moving from the BB to Core was a real struggle to unlearn tactics and strategies for my new-to-Pathfinder players.
Strategies that worked just fine for PF1 BB scenarios were deadly for the players when used in "regular" PF1 games.
I'm hoping from the staff comments that there won't be this kind of disconnect between the rules for PF2 Beginner Box and the Core Rulebook.

CrystalSeas |

In light of the announcement that the Accessories Subscription line will now include digital assets, can staff tell us whether the pawns and game reference cards will be included in the digital assets of the Beginner Box?

Steve Geddes |

It is under the rulebooks section.
It is a rulebook, but the subscription does not include every Rulebook.
This page would show it in the “upcoming products in this subscription” section, if it were a subscription item. As you can see, the only currently announced future item is the Advanced Player’s Guide.
In PF1 they did include the beginner box as a subscription item from memory, and they received a lot of flak for it.
Typically when they used to do this, subscribers who preordered such titles received any associated PDFs for free. Not sure if they’re going to continue with that into the future though.

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Any indication if there will be PDF or other electronic versions? In the current age of "Stay away from everybody" many of us are now doing our games online. I would love to be able to run this every now and then via our Virtual Table Tops. Please? Please?

CrystalSeas |
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Any indication if there will be PDF or other electronic versions? In the current age of "Stay away from everybody" many of us are now doing our games online. I would love to be able to run this every now and then via our Virtual Table Tops. Please? Please?
The PF1 Beginner Box download had the following PDF files
Beginner Box coverGame Master's Guide
Hero's Handbook
Read This First
Transition Guide
And the following "Additional Material" PDFs
1. Character Sheet
2 Flip mat
3 Pregen Cleric
4 Pregen Fighter
5 Pregen Rogue
6 Pregen Wizard
7 Token Sheet ((the pawns that came in the box, as a PDF)
There were also several additional Beginner Box files later, including, IIRC, an adventure or two, and some additional classes.

bugleyman |

Hmmm...I noticed that the description references a "full-color double-sided adventure map," rather than a flip-mat. I wonder if that is just odd phrasing, or possibly a cost-saving measure? I suspect the latter, given the minimal price hike over the 1E version, additional of the reference cards, etc.

Kelseus |

Katina Davis wrote:Announced for November! Product image and description are not final and may be subject to change.Is the adventure going to be Dragon's Demand? I GMed that for a group that fizzled out. I've always wanted to play it as a PC.
Dragon's Demand is completely unrelated to this. It's a new adventure in a new location.