Pathfinder Rage of Elements

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Pathfinder Rage of Elements

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Blaze like the sun!
Crash like the waves!
Thunder like a rockslide!

Harness the overwhelming power of the most primordial forces of nature with Rage of Elements, a new 224-page rules resource for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game focused on the fundamental building blocks of reality itself!

The elements are yours to control with the all-new kineticist class, which brings one of fantasy’s most popular hero types to Pathfinder. New elemental spells and gear provide tons of additional element-themed options for all character classes, and an extensive gazetteer provides an overview of the majestic elemental planes—including two new ones: the decaying Plane of Metal and the vast and orderly forests of the Plane of Wood. A meaty bestiary presenting scores of element-themed creatures helps to populate these alien landcapes—and liven up even the drabbest Material Plane dungeon!

The gateways to elemental power stand open wide with Pathfinder Rage of Elements!

Written by: Logan Bonner, Jason Bulmahn, James Case, Jessica Catalan, Andrew D. Geels, Sen H.H.S., Patrick Hurley, Jason Keeley, Luis Loza, Mark Moreland, Jonathan Morgantini, AJ Neuro, Jessica Redekop, Michael Sayre, Mark Seifter, Shahreena Shahrani, Shay Snow, Solomon St. John, Levi Steadman, Mari Tokuda, Ruvaid Virk, Andrew White, and Linda Zayas-Palmer.

ISBN-13: 978-1-64078-527-4

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PDF Quality Warning

1/5

Note: This review is specific to the pdf version. As far as I know there are no issues with the hardcover version.

So, I'm writing this review as a warning to anyone considering buying the pdf version. The image quality of the pdf is very poor, and everything from the pictures to the border of the book is blurry and kind of hard to look at. I've asked, and apparently there is no fix incoming as of the last we've heard. If you buy these books to look through the art - or just care about the art in general - you will probably want to skip this one.

I'm aware that I'm posting this review after most people have probably already bought it, but I would have felt guilty posting it back when we thought there would be a fix incoming. If one comes in, I'll change this review for sure.


Great Book with a LOT of Errors

3/5

Judging based on flavor and functional content, this book is a 5/5. The Kineticist class is absolutely amazing, the new spells are amazing, and the majority of the options look pretty fun.

Unfortunately, there is a *significant* amount of options that clearly don't work as-written. This book was likely negatively impacted by a sudden rush to update things to fit the remaster halfway through writing it, and unfortunately, it shows.

Some player options, like the Roiling Mudslide kineticist feat for example, are unusable as-written because critical parts have been left out. Other options have awkward or unclear wording.

My advice: If you want to buy this book, get a digital copy. If you want a physical copy, wait until errata for it comes out.


Lovely Book! Wish it'd been proofread properly!

4/5

I've been really excitedly awaiting Rage of Elements- more element-thematic spells, along with loredumps on the elemental planes and an entire new class, the Kineticist, which I've been very eager to get my hands on. I've only looked into the class partly, but I love everything I've seen so far! They're an interesting take on a Caster, with the ability to do a little bit of everything if they want, but an obvious push to try and specialize into making your kineticist fill a particular role. You're always capable of blasting, which is great! The ability to aid allies, control the battlefield, deal AoE damage, and even heal is a blast (aha.)

I don't play many casters, but the Elementalist Class Archetype seems really interesting! I like the variation of eastern and western classical elements being the options you can choose from, and the feats seem like they'd make an elementalist very enjoyable. Letting a Druid replace their initial Order Spell for one they might find more thematically appropriate or useful is a definite win!

The variety of Elemental-oriented backgrounds are interesting. While not as exciting as lore, or class and archetype options, it's still great to have and enables characters from both a mechanical and a flavor/story standpoint! Of course, Heritages are a wonderful addition too, so I'm excited to see both.

Unfortunately, I don't feel like I can say in good conscience that the book is flawless. There's some bizarre choice in wording that leaves certain effects unclear (Is Flinging Updraft used on an unwilling target Forced Movement? I assume so, but the specification of Jumping is bizarre. Is Tremor's 1d8 damage a typo, or is the +1d10 on heighten a typo?), or just outright impossible to use without a table adjustment (Roiling Mudslide's area?)

All in all, lovely book. Great content, interesting class with a pretty unique playstyle I'm excited to use, but the typos make me glad I didn't buy a physical copy. It'd kinda suck to drop almost 60$ on a book with what looks like a decent number of typos and errata that'd need to come on the heels. It'd be 5 stars without typos, and 3 stars if the content wasn't so nice I could ignore the typos. I probably wouldn't be as happy if I'd paid almost 60$ for a physical copy, though. Also really wouldn't mind getting an updated PDF- both for typos and errata, and maybe slightly higher definition images.


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senshi_shinri_teki wrote:

Is there a new character sheet out there somewhere for the Kineticist? I was thinking the Core Remaster Preview document would include one.

I doubt it. They stopped making sheets for classes after adv. Players guide and I tho k they said they wouldn't be doin anymore pregens or class sheets for other classes


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The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?


MagnusPrime wrote:
The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?

Looks available to me currently, must've gone live on the hour.


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MagnusPrime wrote:
The pdf currently says unavailable...when will it be available?

Also seems to be available to me.

What do you mean with "Magnus Prime"? Hrmpf.

Dark Archive

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Got the book which is nice, but yeah I do admit I do still miss alignment a bit, at least aps have removing it gradually since tomb of sky king still has it x'D Guess pfs might be forced to have it for longer unless they want to invalidate pre remaster options that use alignment


Pardon my ignorance, but wasn't the concept of alignments... kinda hated in recent years? I think the biggest problem is how there are now so many shades of grey that alignments just don't reflect enough anymore.

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Whatever wider opinion is unrelated to my opinion xD

That and while I think I occasionally posted in alignment threads, I never saw big need to get defensive about alignment because I thought if it would be removed, it would be in like ten more years in PF3e x'D


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This is a thread about Rage of Elements, not about alignment changes in Remaster.


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Looking through it now. Its a bit disappointing that Kineticist doesnt get expert proficiency until 7th, making them quite a bit less accurate than other damage dealers. At least they get to Legendary, but it is very late in the day.

Looking through going to post any questions here.

Tremor deals 1d8 damage but scales with d10's. That seems...unusual. Is it intentional?


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Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.


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I also think the art is really good, but the quality of the images is just very disappointing. It's hard to properly appreciate the art considering how it almost looks blurry? I'm sure other people understand the technical side of things better than I do, but I do know it doesn't look good.


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While alignment is not really necessary to run a monster under the currently existing rules, it is kinda important for deities since it's a large portion of the divine spell lists' damage and determines what champion subclasses you can play.
So... any chance someone at Paizo would be willing to share the pre-remaster alignment & follower alignments of the new wood & metal elemental lords so that we can actually play clerics & champions of them without having to wait 3/11 months and buy a whole different book?


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Hopefully after GenCon Paizo can redo this PDF? The image quality is horrifically subpar. I don't care if the single file PDF is 100 or 200 MB; I want to appreciate the art! But instead I am so distracted by how bad it looks... Kind of a bummer since I'm so excited about this book!


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Grasp of the Deep doesnt make much sense. Shouldnt the failure entry says full damage? Is the damage in the failure entry in addition to the 6d6 or just a reference to it?


I remember they were originally working on a Metal Druid, but I guess that didn't pan out?


andreww wrote:
Grasp of the Deep doesnt make much sense. Shouldnt the failure entry says full damage? Is the damage in the failure entry in addition to the 6d6 or just a reference to it?

My guess is that first sentence is supposed to be in the "success" entry, since it's basically the same. Failure stating that the target takes 6d6 damage (so full damage) corresponds to what is usually done.


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togapika wrote:
I remember they were originally working on a Metal Druid, but I guess that didn't pan out?

They scrapped it after they decided to remove druid's metal anathema in the remaster making the metal druid archetype (I think?) feel less necessary. Might be an actual core druidic order in the remaster maybe.

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Does anyone know where I can find the remaster summary document for rage of elements? Does anyone know if Sylphs, Ifrits, Undines and Oreads have been renamed?

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Here you go! Ifrits are renamed (since that's now the names of the fire genies) but I think everyone else is the same.


And it came out on Roll20 as well, looking forward to some dwarfy Blast action in as that is what I'll be GMing next fairly soon!!

Good times

Tom


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Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.


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AJCarrington wrote:
Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.

Good idea, I also sent in an email about this. Hopefully they see that this matters a lot to people - I for one would not keep buying pdfs on here if they are all going to be of this low quality going forward.


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Icoret wrote:
AJCarrington wrote:
Thrillington wrote:

Just want to echo previous comments about the compression used for the pdf - it does not look great on a display.

It's disappointing to see so many jpeg artefacts, right from the cover onwards - there's great artwork here but it's been overzealously compressed, that I feel sorry for the artists. I hoped the individual chapter pdfs would be better, but it is the same issue.

It's below the standard I've come to expect from Paizo, and looks more like a pirated pdf than one I've just paid $20 for. Treasure Vault has a similar number of pages and looks fine. Can this really not be better compressed?

Otherwise, I'm very happy to finally have this and looking forward to trying out all the great content.

Another comment to echo and support this issue; I have also raised a ticket with Customer Service so that they can track it.

Hopefully we will see a "hi res" aka "normal" version released following Gencon.

Good idea, I also sent in an email about this. Hopefully they see that this matters a lot to people - I for one would not keep buying pdfs on here if they are all going to be of this low quality going forward.

I may do the same. I don't consider myself a picky person or one who expects high quality, but the quality is *really* low even for my already low standards.


Wait, Lini isn't on the front cover? I thought she was, but it appears to be a generic man instead...

Silver Crusade

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That “generic guy” is Yoon.

She is the Iconic Kineticist, the class in the book.


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Just wanted to share the response from Customer Service regarding the PDF image quality in RoE. Good news is that they are working on a fix!

Thanks for writing in about this issue! At this time our art team is aware of this PDF image quality issue and that the compression in the zip file and file size it's self are what is mainly causing this and are actively working to get that pdf looking better for everyone in the future. We ask for your patience while that file is addressed as most departments are still getting back from gen-con atm thanks for your time and patience in this manner.


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I got the same response too! Very pleased. :)


So it's been almost two weeks now, I just wanted to check in. Is there any word on a fix for the pdf?

Paizo Employee Director of Marketing

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Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.


Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Is there a way to get a refund then?


Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Will this be fixed with the switch over to the new website that is planned?


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Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Hmm, that's a bit odd considering the Rage of Elements PDF is easily the smallest of the rulebooks at 23MB, when Treasure Vault is sitting here at 145MB... and the Fists of the Ruby Phoenix hardcover PDF is at 180MB...

Clearly, there's room for less compression.

Paizo Employee Director of Marketing

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Icoret wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Is there a way to get a refund then?

We see the product as acceptable, but you are welcome to email Customer Service and ask.

Paizo Employee Director of Marketing

KaiBlob1 wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Will this be fixed with the switch over to the new website that is planned?

We can't say at this time.

Paizo Employee Director of Marketing

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Curmudgeonly wrote:
Aaron Shanks wrote:

Regarding the Pathfinder Rage of Elements PDF: on full screen (27"), nothing is pixelated or unreadable. We consider the product to be acceptable, but we'd like to better, if we can.

The constraint is the file size vs our current upload system. We had to run a second compression on it because, using our normal method, the original file is too big to be uploaded to our site. We are looking into getting a higher res version, that is also small enough to upload, but we don't know if or when that will happen.

Therefore, we have no immediate file update planned.

Hmm, that's a bit odd considering the Rage of Elements PDF is easily the smallest of the rulebooks at 23MB, when Treasure Vault is sitting here at 145MB... and the Fists of the Ruby Phoenix hardcover PDF is at 180MB...

Clearly, there's room for less compression.

I believe the issue is the size of the source file. As I said, our art team is still looking into it.

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